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Feb 6
[It’s not a symptom
It’s a personality trait]
Now would you get the fuck over it and stop pathologizing every single fucking thing we do? Sometimes a hobby really is just a hobby. 

[It’s not a symptom

It’s a personality trait]

Now would you get the fuck over it and stop pathologizing every single fucking thing we do? Sometimes a hobby really is just a hobby. 

Feb 6

If a child copies someone it can be annoying, but they normally stop when they see it's annoying. However an adult copping someone exactly isn't normal, I don't care if they're 'late' it's not normal and I would find it ridiculously annoying

Anonymous

Well, maybe you need to grow the fuck up then, you ableist asshole. You copy people too; you just don’t realize it. 

Feb 6

Rebloggable by request

so basically the idea of ‘special interest’ is a way of pathologicising (spellcheck says this isn’t a word but you can too make a verb out of pathological) normal human behaviour and interest because the interest andor the person who has it is “different”?
 Anonymous

For clarification, this is in regards to this post.

That’s exactly it, and it’s done with a lot of behaviors you see in every child on the planet, regardless of whether they’re autistic or not. All children learn by mimicry (echolalia), for example, but autistic children may start this behavior much later than allistic children. Even if it goes away (whether it does or not is dependent upon the individual and circumstances) it’s still looked at as a symptom and as something “abnormal” when all it really is, is just a bit late. 

(Incidentally, even if echolalia doesn’t go away in an autistic person, this isn’t anywhere near as strange as “experts” want to make it out to be, because it doesn’t technically go away fully in allistic people either. Although most of themnever realize, they will continue to echo people who are around them constantly, picking up on said people’s mannerisms and speech patterns, throughout their entire lives. They’ll even do it at times with people they’ve just met: for example, it’s a perfectly normal (and instinctual) thing for someone to mimic the sitting position of someone they’re talking to if they’re interested in that person. Pfft to you, “experts.”)

So yeah, us being “different” makes people pathologize our behavior regardless of how actually normal it in truth is. I explained it to my husband like this:

If an allistic child shows a keen interest in serial killers, people will assume they have a future as a profiler for the FBI.

If an autistic child shows a keen interest in serial killers, people will assume they have a future as a serial killer. 

That’s just utter bullshit, but it doesn’t stop people from treating us like it’s true. 

Feb 5

so basically the idea of 'special interest' is a way of pathologicising (spellcheck says this isn't a word but you can too make a verb out of pathological) normal human behaviour and interest because the interest andor the person who has it is "different"?

Anonymous

For clarification, this is in regards to this post.

That's exactly it, and it’s done with a lot of behaviors you see in every child on the planet, regardless of whether they’re autistic or not. All children learn by mimicry (echolalia), for example, but autistic children may start this behavior much later than allistic children. Even if it goes away (whether it does or not is dependent upon the individual and circumstances) it’s still looked at as a symptom and as something “abnormal” when all it really is, is just a bit late. 

(Incidentally, even if echolalia doesn’t go away in an autistic person, this isn’t anywhere near as strange as “experts” want to make it out to be, because it doesn’t technically go away fully in allistic people either. Although most of them never realize, they will continue to echo people who are around them constantly, picking up on said people’s mannerisms and speech patterns, throughout their entire lives. They’ll even do it at times with people they’ve just met: for example, it’s a perfectly normal (and instinctual) thing for someone to mimic the sitting position of someone they’re talking to if they’re interested in that person. Pfft to you, “experts.”)

So yeah, us being “different” makes people pathologize our behavior regardless of how actually normal it in truth is. I explained it to my husband like this:

If an allistic child shows a keen interest in serial killers, people will assume they have a future as a profiler for the FBI.

If an autistic child shows a keen interest in serial killers, people will assume they have a future as a serial killer. 

That’s just utter bullshit, but it doesn’t stop people from treating us like it’s true. 

I was scrolling archive and found the post 'it's not a special interest it's a hobby' or something like that. What's the difference? Like I don't fully understand what a 'special interest' is and how it's NOT a hobby?

Anonymous

As the person who submitted the meme put it:

Why is it that everything and anything an autistic person shows interest in, or proficiency for is a “Special Interest”? I know the difference between my perservations and my hobbies and general interests, thankyouverymuch.

Basically, the problem is that autistics aren’t really allowed to have hobbies. If we like something, it all tends to get classified as a “special interest” and while that may seem like the same thing, it’s not when it’s applied to us. 

For us, a “special interest” is a marker of our autism, which is why the term “special interest” gets used rather than “hobby.”  Everything we like must be a symptom in the eyes of certain allistics, and I believe that’s what the OP meant. That it’s frustrating that we can’t enjoy something without it being inextricably linked to our autism by other people. 

We do have things we fixate on and yes, that can be related to the autism. But some things really are just hobbies and classifying them as “special interests” is a way a number of allistics (especially psychologists and psychiatrists) Other autistics.

So, I noticed that you said that some things haven't been going well for you since you were diagnosed. Would you mind talking about that some more? I'm autistic and undiagnosed (although I have spoken to psychologists about it. I just don't have anything official and on paper.) At one point, I very much wanted that official diagnosis, but now I'm pretty sure that I've changed my mind. I want to hear from others about their decision to get diagnosed or not.

Anonymous

Actually, what I meant was that things in general, like diagnostic procedure, have gone to shit since I was diagnosed. My own story seems to be so very different from anything else I’ve heard, and it seems to me like understanding of autism has gone down since then, not up.

For example, I was surprised to learn that people have got it into their heads that Asperger’s Syndrome isn’t autism, because it was never explained to be as anything but. It seems, however, that that hasn’t been the case for a lot of people. I did receive therapy, but I’d never heard the phrase “quiet hands” before coming to Tumblr, and in fact I was in a group therapy that treated us like human beings. I would’ve thought there’d be more of that these days, but there appears to be less.

My hesitations with diagnosis for adult autistics comes from my experience in trying to find a new psychiatrist once I became an adult myself.

I was sent to a woman who had no idea what autism was. had to explain it to her, and she proceeded to decide that I didn’t have it–she tried to remove my diagnosis without even knowing what the diagnosis meant. Someone who knew what autism is and had an expert understanding of it probably would’ve noticed that I literally could not look at her face by the end of the session. Not even faked eye contact, I could not look at her. That’s part of how my autism expresses itself–the less I like a person, the harder it is for me to look at them.

Admittedly, this woman was particularly bad. She also tried to dismiss my PTSD diagnosis because I’d never been caught in a tornado or seen someone raped and murdered (because, I guess, brutal bullying, parents committing suicide, and being raped oneself do not count as trauma). But she’s why I urge caution and research before seeking diagnosis as an adult. Awareness and knowledge of autism has not improved; it’s still viewed as something only children have and in many places adult psychiatrists have little to no knowledge of what it really entails.

I have very little way of knowing where the people who ask about diagnosis live and what their situation is like. If they’re in a situation where, due to expense or other circumstances, they can’t afford to keep trying if they meet an asshat like that woman, trying to get a diagnosis could just be stressful, expensive and useless. Thus, I say consider it carefully and do as much research as possible to find someone who knows how to diagnose autism in adults if you want a diagnosis. But if you’re not sure you want one or not convinced you need one, you may want to refrain or speak more to other people about it first. 

What part of the Wikipedia article on autism stigmatises?

Anonymous

Ugh, you’re gonna make me look at it? Yay.

The first thing that jumps out at me is this:

Not many children with autism live independently after reaching adulthood, though some become successful.

I know for a fact that there are a number of independent and successful autistics adults right here on Tumblr. What really bothers me about this, though, is that it adds to a pervasive rhetoric on autism that make parents, siblings, and others react to an autism diagnosis with “OMG my child/brother/cousin/whatever will never be independent they’ll be like this their whole lives what a tragedy what a burden OMG!" 

Here’s an entire paragraph that makes me want to barf:

There are many anecdotal reports, but few systematic studies, of aggression and violence in individuals with ASD. The limited data suggest that, in children with mental retardation, autism is associated with aggression, destruction of property, and tantrums. A 2007 study interviewed parents of 67 children with ASD and reported that about two-thirds of the children had periods of severe tantrums and about one-third had a history of aggression, with tantrums significantly more common than in non-autistic children with language impairments.

The connection of autism to violence, aggression and tantrums. Those of us who are autistic recognize meltdowns for what they are, but you’ll see the word isn’t used here. It’s true that it’s important to teach autistic children as much as possible that violence and aggression are not okay, but there is no understanding or acknowledgement of what causes these incidences in autistic children to begin with. It just links autism to aggression and tantrums as if autistics fly off the handle for no reason whatsoever, and we know that’s not true.

Think about the Sandy Hook shooting. How many people, in the aftermath, might have gone running off to Wikipedia to find out more about autism and saw that? Looks pretty stigmatizing to me. 

But the thing is, I’m not the one who made that meme. The person who did make it is more than welcome to do a write up on it and send it to Autistic Hedgehog if they’d like, but that’s all I care to stomach of the article myself. 

[Allistic writes a story about autistics that show no emotion
I’m showing my annoyance]
Mod note: Anon creation

[Allistic writes a story about autistics that show no emotion

I’m showing my annoyance]

Mod note: Anon creation

[Wiki article on autism stigmatizes and pathologizes
Identified as one of the best articles produced by the community]
Mod note: Anon creation.
You know, just in case you somehow hadn’t gathered a large enough list of reasons to actually kinda hate Wikipedia.
P.S. Wiki is where I first learned about Simon Baron-Cohen and his “extreme male brain” bullshit. They write that shit up as legit. Barf. 

[Wiki article on autism stigmatizes and pathologizes

Identified as one of the best articles produced by the community]

Mod note: Anon creation.

You know, just in case you somehow hadn’t gathered a large enough list of reasons to actually kinda hate Wikipedia.

P.S. Wiki is where I first learned about Simon Baron-Cohen and his “extreme male brain” bullshit. They write that shit up as legit. Barf. 

Jan 9
[Allistic thinks autistics don’t like porn
I think allistics fail basic common sense]
Mod note: Anon creation.
They fail something all right. Acknowledging that autistics can enjoy porn would require allistics to acknowledge that we are, first of all, people and that we can, second of all, want and enjoy sex. It requires them to have an image of autism that isn’t just unemotional and eternally childlike, but acknowledges that we are grownups making grownup decisions and having grownup relationships (or not, if that’s what floats a particular autistic’s boat). Many allistics just can’t or don’t want to see that. 

[Allistic thinks autistics don’t like porn

I think allistics fail basic common sense]

Mod note: Anon creation.

They fail something all right. Acknowledging that autistics can enjoy porn would require allistics to acknowledge that we are, first of all, people and that we can, second of all, want and enjoy sex. It requires them to have an image of autism that isn’t just unemotional and eternally childlike, but acknowledges that we are grownups making grownup decisions and having grownup relationships (or not, if that’s what floats a particular autistic’s boat). Many allistics just can’t or don’t want to see that.